The CELESTA ZONE
CELESTA’S GREATEST HITS
Here are some of the “greatest hits” of that on-line pro-closed adoption, anti-open records dynamo and Disney fan (and herald of the AntiChrist): The Divine Celesta!!!
The Circle of Life
Under protest:”I’ve had all I can stands, and I can’t stands no more!
Celeste discovers killfiles
LET MY CHILDREN GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: Bastard Nation – A state Bargaining
My story for those who even care…
[The author of these has asked to remain anonymous, but I have the author’s permission to post them.]
The Circle Of Life…
I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live.
Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward. As arrows are in the hand of a mighty man; so are children of the youth. Happy is the man that hath his quiver full of them.
We live in a time when people don’t seem to know, don’t want to know, or have forgotten, right from wrong. Morality is said to be relative, subjective rather than objective. The bible is viewed by many to be a book of arbitrary rules written for another time, another place, another people, and their peculiar sense of ethics.
In reality, the bible is a book of life. What leads to life, and what leads to death. What is wise, and what is foolish. what is love, and what is hate. The God of the bible is life, love, and wisdom. His antithesis is death, hate, and foolishness.
The original meaning for the Hebrew word for sin literally means `missing the mark.’ When we sin we miss the mark. We fall short of God’s plan for us. We all miss the mark in some way. Often times it may not be our fault. Such is the case in birth defects, such as homosexuality. Making the mark, hitting the bullseye, in sex, results in new life. A child. This is what the God of the cosmos, the life force, our higher power, had in mind when he created life through nature and evolution. Anything less misses the mark, and is what the ancient Hebrews called `sin.’ It is `imperfect’ which in Hebrew literally means `immature,’ not fully evolved, less than intended. X and Y sperms are like arrows. When they hit their mark, the egg, a new life is created. A boy, XY. Or a girl XX. I don’t know why God chose evolution to create the world, but it seems obvious he did. Due to the nature of evolution, not all arrows hit their mark. It is estimated that 250 million sperms (roughly the population of the United States) compete to fertilize one egg. The fact that we exist at all instead of one of 250 million alternates, is like winning the lottery. Our birth was a divine accident, our death most likely will be too. God’s plan is to bring forth life, and to bring it forth abundantly. To achieve his aims, he doesn’t carry all his eggs in one basket. We are here to live, to love, to wonder, to enjoy the miracle of life, to survive and pass our genes on to the next generation so that they may do the same. Not all of us will make it, but due to the astronomical numbers involved, enough will. This is the circle of life.
It Isn’t Just My Right
Even My Left Will Be Divine…
We live in a time of political polarization. The term `Politically Correct’ came into vogue in the 1990’s, to differentiate the left-wing, democratic agenda from that of the right-wing republican agenda which was, by inference, `Politically Incorrect.’
What the left failed to remember, was that Americans historically think of them selves as revolutionaries, rebels etc. Consequently, no one wanted to be `correct.’ Everybody wants to be an outlaw, a cowboy, the kind your mama is supposed to not let you grow up to be. And so we have a TV show called `Politically Incorrect’ with a decidedly `politically correct’ host. And so the label failed.
In retrospect, it is laughable that the left thought the label could ever succeed. This was due in part to the left wings myopic misunderstanding that most everyone (except those evil republicans) are as obsessed with group acceptance as they are. This is especially true of media celebrities who, got where they are in the first place because of their neurotic need for attention and applause, and champion every fashionable cause.
And so I would suggest the label `Politically Chic’ as being more representative of the so-called politically correct agenda.
God is not chic, or fashionable. He is eternal. The same yesterday today and forever. The Bible reflects this. What is hip with God is what leads to life, more life, better life, life abundant. So consequently, God’s agenda can be found on the right and left of the political spectrum, so unfortunately can his antithesis. To sort this all out requires what the ancients, called `gnosis’ a Greek word meaning knowledge. Only this kind of knowledge is not found in universities. It’s the same kind of knowledge, the Bible refers to when it says `Adam knew Eve his wife.’ It is intimate knowledge of God born of relationship with him. This is not a sexual relationship, but rather its spiritual counterpart.
If one has `gnosis’ one knows right from wrong. One knows that life, love, and wisdom are good. And that death, hatred, and foolishness are evil.
I’m Working On My Roar…
Starting Block: The Transformative Experience:
There are two aspects of transformation: personal transformation and planetary transformation.
Personal transformation (or being `born again’) hinges on one’s personal recognition of oneness with God, humanity, and the universe.
Planetary transformation is brought about as a `critical mass’ of personally transformed individuals takes socio-political responsibility for the world of humankind.
For God so loved the cosmos, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
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Subject: ANTIADOPTION BELIEFS
Posted: January 23,1995 11:01:57
They believe in putting the birthfamilies rights over the adoptee’s. And everyone else, and are trying to pass that off as equal treatment.
They believe in placing adopted children in sub-standard homes, that will be the only resource left by the time they are through, for payment. (baby sitters, instead of adoptive parents)
Catholic Charities has figured out what side the bread is buttered on. The Tax payers–revenue and increased United Way funding. They have alot to gain by advocating government coerced take over of all (not just adoptive)families. Non-profit is a figment of the imagination–there is no such thing as a free lunch. Increased services, increased pay checks.
They believe in the Government takeover and intrusion in the private lives of American families–The Government is trying to reach its hand into your house. First they tell you how to raise your children, and next they tell you, if you tell your child to believe in GOD that you are lieing to them, and that is abuse, or lacking “candor”.
ATTENTION!!!!!! Wake up America, or UNCLE SCAR (SAM) WILL TAKE OVER THE PRIDE! OUR GOVERNMENT IS BEING TAKEN OVER BY THE ANTI-ADOPTIONISTS= ANTI-CHRIST.
The Anti-christ is the union of these organizations: The organizations — the Child Welfare League of America, Catholic Charities USA, the National Association of Social Workers, the American Adoption Congress, Concerned United Birthparents, the National Adoption Center, the Adoption Exchange Association, Children Awaiting Parents, and the Joint Council on International Children’s Services —
These organizaitions are joining together to take over our children, our homes, our country and our freedom. We must stop them. They are goose-stepping laughing hyaenas /Nazis after our Great country and OUR freedoms.
Our congressman and senators must be notified to see to it the Uniform Adoption Act passes, which will be a LOUD NO to adoption reform! This Act. is scheduled to be voted on in every State this year.
Advocate for Adoption, Advocate for Our Families and Freedom
Celeste, Member of LAMB (the League of Adoptive Mothers and Babies)
From: email@example.com (Celeste)
Subject: Under protest:”I’ve had all I can stands, and I can’t stands no more!”
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 12:46:08 -0500
I haven’t mailed the following correspondence to my State’s Attorney as yet, but if Prodigy does not immediately make amends to me for this total and complete unfairness with the total and complete restoration of my account (and an HUGE APOLOGY!), no later than Monday, September 18, 1995, I plan to. Also a copy will be mailed to the National Council For Adoption! I have done everything I possibly can to settle this peacefully, out of court and outside legal channels. Let this serve as a warning that I mean business! And as for all of you on newsgroups who oppose me, I am not one bit afraid of your very bias and descriminatory scrutiny, the busy bodies who I complain about at Prodigy, themselves stick their noses up at you also, believe they are above you with reproach, that you all are beneath them in reputation, intelligence! (or shall I very blatantly say IQ?!) In otherwords, they think they are too good for you too! They think this group is the equivalent of, bathroom literature or shall I say, toilet paper in cyberspace! So consider that for a momment, before you defend them!
One last warning for Patty Bybee and any other of my adversaries who’d like to try me unfairly ever again: If you post anything about me publicly which is libelous or slander here or anywhere else, I will not hesitate to mail this letter and file a consumer complaint, I will be dragging all of your friends into court, post haste! Your “little file” will get you no where Patty! If I were you, I’d be very careful not to cross yours truly again!)
As Popeye the Sailor Man would say, “I’ve had all I can stands, and I can’t stands no more!”. Enjoy this interesting reading! (VVVBG)
(The following are excerpts from Celeste’s letter to the Attorney General of the state of Illinois re. her being kicked off the Prodigy adoption BB.)
Allso during that time, the board experienced a tremendous amount of growth, of which one member who is a Prodigy Special Contributor, Jean Van Horn, credited me for helping to make this growth possible by my participation, which I received a very loving thank you from her in writing via e*mail correspondence.
I would like to inform you that I was being publically slandered on the bb in February of this year by Linda Anne Babb and Patty Bybee both current official board representatives, employed by Prodigy, in which I have all the necessary proof I need to take to court and file suit against Ms. Babb, Ms. Bybee and the Prodigy Service jointly. I was also verbally and emotionally abused over a period of months by other members participating on the bulletin board, including the current board leader Diana Olnick (at which time she was not yet the adoption forum board leader). The only possible reason I have to explain this would be that I having differing opinions on the issue of adoption, and that I am the adoptive mother of two “healthy white infants” in “closed adoptions”, which I advocate the continued lawful freedom of choice for both birth parents and adoptive parents, which they hold tremendous amount of bias towards and descriminate against.
When Diana Olnick was hired as the Adoption bulletin board learder in late May or early June, 1995. Within days of her leadership she began publically censor and embarrass me by playing “grammer teacher” to my postings, emotional abuse equivalent of making one stand in a corner with a “dunce hat” on, and then when I spoke up in defense of myself, she had me temporarily or permanently barred from the bulletin board, I am not sure which because they have not notified me as to my status, if I will ever be allowed to participate again in the future.
How long does Prodigy management intend to keep me barred from the adoption bb? If I am not ever allowed to return, it would seem to me then, that Prodigy should reimburse me for my entire investment for both accounts. Therefore, I want my account CSLK44A reinstated immediately with permission to utilize the adoption bb, or financial reimbursment for my total investment (of approx. $1200 to $1400) for both accounts JPAE99A and CSLK44A, for my participation which began last November to the present September, 1995. I have made every attempt to settle this matter peacefully with Prodigy Management without having to pursue legal remedies, including a final request (copy enclosed) to reinstate my membership status, along with mention of possible legal action, to Jenny Ambrozek (XRJJ24B), Manager of BB Operations, to no avail. Attached is my formal consumor complaint and application for seeking your assistence in this matter. Thank you
Celeste Discoves Killfiles!
Topic: PARENTING: ADOPTION
SUBJECT: TIRED OF IT PART TWO
Time: 03/06 11:48 AM
I have been doing too good of a job, I guess, in getting the truth our about adoption reform–now I have recieved a death threat on the internet:
From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Jerry Emery Ming) Subject: Celesta Piliponis at XNet
Congradulations, Celesta. While Ungratefull has his Richard Cranium award, I have awarded you a cherished position in my killfile.
BellaDonna, I have to admit that you have a stronger stomach than I. Keep’em honest Beautifull Lady.
“That Pesky Cub Member”
Followed by this on alt.adoption:
 What’s the matter, truth gotcha worried?
email@example.com – 03/06/1995
What’s the matter? The TRUTH gotcha worried?
I will assume you are only joking, but just in case your not___what good will it do NOW? The truth is already been exposed. If anyone were to do anything to me, all that would do is bring more attention to it–>THE TRUTH. (plus, my local police department has already been alerted to possible threats against me, and they will KNOW right where to look).
not to get caught in the stampede,
RUNNING TOWARD THE ROARRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!
Ga 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
TOPIC: FAMILY RELATIONSHIPS
TIME: 11/12/94 11:36 AM
TO: SAMUEL J….. (XXXXXXX)
FROM: CELESTE PILIPONIS (JPAE99A)
SUBJECT: IS THIS CHILD ABUSE?
One objective for time-out, besides allowing time to calm down, is to take the audience or attention away from a tantruming child. Once they no longer have an audience, they soon calm down and have time to rethink how they can get what they are after, since their tantrum doesn’t seem tobe achieving their goal. It might not always be necessary tolock the door, but occasionally a child might challenge your ability to enforce them to stay in the bedroom. Without a lock they can open the door and continue their illegal bid for attention.
In older homes, their is often skeleton locks, or better (and safer) a small flimsy hook- and-eye latch could be used, mainly to deter the child from opening the door until they calm down. Yes, such a latch could be torn off with the right amount of force by a particularly stiff necked child, but some or most children might not go that far. I agree if a child might hurt themselves you wouldn’t leave them alone, but in most cases a child will discontinue that kind of behavior once they have lost their audience.
TOPIC: PARENTING 6-12 YRS
TIME: 11/13/94 11:36 AM
TO: LORRI K… (XXXXXXXX)
FROM: CELESTE PILIPONIS (JPAE99A)
SUBJECT: SPANKING ?
Hi Lorri, I have a degree in child development, have worked in the daycare industry for eight years, have two boys of my own, I am currently doing foster care, and I am also doing research, but on the subject of sending children to their bedrooms and whether or not that is effective, and whether or not it is o.k. for parents to sometimes use a lock on the door for it to be more effective. Many children do not require much more than simple guidance techniques for them to get along, develope a conscience and learn right and wrong. Wouldn’t it be nice if all kids were so easy to raise. But, I have a feeling without our more high spirited youngsters, man kind would not be where it is today. Were not perfect and never will be, but we must strive to be the best we possible can. I believe that one day, slowly but surely, we will evolute to a time when violence will no longer be necessary. But, we haven’t come that far. Things are improving with each generation. I do feel it is to soon for Child Welfare experts to demand parents not spank their children. Children do not just learn violence from their parents spanking them. Even parents who don’t spank their children, have children who are hitting others as a means of getting their own way. They learn violence in many other ways, and to some extent violence is a part human nature.
Through other forms of research I have done, I have found that children, not all but many, who aren’t being spanked, or properly given guidance from their parents, are abusing their parents. They are disrespectful, they hit their parents, they won’t do what they are told and are out of control. And, they are not just this way at home, they take this behavior with them, to school and everywhere they go. We have a generation of bullys coming up, they are not developing a conscience. I don’t know, what are parents to do? There is this mass witch hunt for child abusers, it is interfering with well meaning parents ability to raise there own children to be well-adjusted adults. Parents are afraid more than ever to discipline their kids.
I have been researching other methods of discipline that could replace spanking, or at least reduce the need for it. I do believe we need to wean ourselves off of the use of violence. Face it, some children are more stiffed necked or troubled than others, and if they are not taught right and wrong, they cause problems for our entire society, not to mention personal and family problems. It is these children we need to find answers for. Until society, eliminates other avenues in which children are learning violent behavior, such as television violence, video games, pornography etc., they cannot eliminate the option of corporal punishment from parents. Violence is to profitable, and attractive, I don’t see it going away anytime soon. Do you? Our Presidents themselves can’t seem resist the temptation of playing war games, which is what every war dating back at least since WW II has really been all about. Most wars in a sense could easily have been judged unnecessary, they could have been solved through peaceful means. But, we continue even today to have unnecessary wars! I believe men like to play with their toy soldiers. My conclusion is, try if you can, not to spank, but don’t be afraid to. And, most important we need to work on eliminating other more powerful forms of violence, if we want to achieve a less violent society.
Board: ADOPTION BB
Topic: BB NEWS/HELP/INFO
Subject: TOPIC CHANGE
To: KIMBERLY T… (XXXXXXX)
From: CELESTE PILIPONIS (CZAS92A)
Time: 02/13/96 6:33 PM
Kim, you said:
” The needs of the majority is more important than one individual. ”
It’s a good thing Lincoln didn’t feel that way. Majority rule can lead to tyranny in many instances. My philosophy has always been to TRY to save or include everyone in the boat.
Just my 2 cents, Celeste
From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Celesta)
Subject: Re: CELESTA
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 06:52:09 -0600
Organization: XNet – A Full Service Internet Provider – (708) 983-6064
References: email@example.com firstname.lastname@example.org
Why is it when you people ask someone a question, you can not ask politely? And if you don’t ask politely…why the hell should any one bother to answer you?
I have already said what my status is a zillion times:
I AM A FOSTER PARENT!!!!!
I WORK TO CLEAN UP THE BLOODY MESS YOU PEOPLE ARE MAKING!!!!!!
500,000 T0 600,000 FAMILILESS, FUTURELESS CHILDREN!!!!
If you could only see the lives these poor children lead; animals got it better than they do in most cases. That I will not shut up about.
LET MY CHILDREN GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ga 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
 Celesta’s Mental State
**MaBarkerDonna (Nightshade) wrote that she is:
* ” a single college student living in a one bedroom apartment and subsisting on grant money and a part-time job ” **
So where is your credentials to “diagnose” people as “crazy”? Even a ” REAL ” professional would not have the ‘gall’ to say they can diagnose a person from a few political ideas and views a person has posted on an internet newsgroup!
And you say you know better than people who have very thoroughly checked me out? And there was only one person — my license rep — that tried to say I had a ” mental condition because of my adversarial opinions with the department ” , and He was proven to be mistaken, by professionals who have actually seen, met and talked with me. OPINIONS are not evidence of a mental condition! Especially, when in Washington and Springfield thousands are voicing the SAME OPINION — that ” the System is a mess, it’s not working! ”
You can’t judge a person’s mental fitness by their political ideas, insights and views! (Or even their religious views! You can’t claim that everyone who believes in the supernatural is crazy! You would be labeling, and ” demonizing ” some 80- 90% of the human population of the entire world!)
Furthermore, if you knew my license rep, and stood me and him side by side…you would see for yourself, that HE is the one who is REALLY WEIRD! This guy is divorced because he is ‘married’ to his work, he is a loner and reclusive. He is the type that wants to work on Friday night at 7:00 pm, when everyone elso has gone home. Everyone I know, even his co-workers, say he has a strangely, dry humor and they get the feeling there is something not quite right about him. He has called me and hung up, a number of times when I had just got out of meetings with him in which I made him look bad, and pissed him off. How did I know it was him? Caller ID! No, HE was projecting, as many of you are. It is not *I* with the problem. It IS because I disagree with you, it is because I will boldly call it like I see it, and don’t tip toe around on egg shells. It is funny how those in glass houses are the first to throw stones!
** This is a DEFENSE of her ” mental fitness ” ?? Some defense. Looks to me like the system isn’t as bad off as I had originally thought!**
The system is what is not mentally fit! My sister and I were just talking yesterday about how when we went to college how it seemed that those studying ” pyschology ” were in it to figure out what was wrong with themselves! Many of the social welfare professions are draws for people who have had ‘personal experiences’ that drew them into it to ” change the system “. This is what is wrong with the system…it is full of people who come from dysfunctional backgrounds. Oh yes, ‘sane’ people flow into it for a job. But those kind never stay in it more than two years, before they realize that it is full of weird, brainwashed fanatics and inhumane policies that stress callousness and ” don’t care too much “. The social welfare field has amoung the highest turnover and burn-out rates going! Just check into it, you’ll see that I am right!
**I don’t say that you’re crazy just to shut you up, as you seem to think. Has it ever occured to you that I haven’t got any ” agenda ” , that I’m not part of a conspiracy, and that I say you’re crazy because I think you’re crazy? There are plenty of people that I wish would shut up whom I don’t label as lunatics. Every post you write tells me that you are a nutter.**
Oh yes you do call me crazy to shut me up, possibly you do it to make others not listen to me, and you might as well quit because it isn’t working. You see, people believe who they want to believe, they don’t change their minds unless from ‘personal experiences’ that they have themselves. So what you say, only reinforces those who believe as you do. What I say, only reinforces those who believe as I do. This is a ” war on words ” . the target being to reach those who haven’t made up the minds as yet, or to reach those who already agree with our views.
I have labeled ‘an agenda’, ” the Birthparents Rights Movement ” , which IS a mass movement, as anti-adoption…for very good reason. Yes it is an agenda! And you know it! If you don’t know it, then you are un/misinformed! It is you that uses the word “conspiracy”..I have never used that word, I don’t think of it that way. I do believe that people are (re)acting — in mass — on beliefs they hold to be true. Conspiracy implies that they intended an evil plot or something, I don’t believe anyone is really evil, but the evil they unintentionally or indirectly cause is another thing.
” Freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, freedom from unlawful search and seizure (of our children!!!)…goes on and on…. ”
** But you are a FOSTER PARENT – they AREN’T ” your ” children! If I understand correctly, a foster home is supposed to be a TEMPORARY home where children stay while their PARENTS get their act together, or until the child is surrendered for adoption. Don’t you understand that FOSTER CHILDREN ARE *NOT* THE SAME AS ADOPTIVE CHILDREN, and FOSTER PARENTS ARE NOT THE SAME AS ADOPTIVE PARENTS!!! How much clearer can I possibly make it?? **
You missed my point all but completely, but if a foster parent has their ” own children ” the foster care system has access to ‘THEM’ as well, not to mention your home, without a warrant! That is why I would highly advise anyone with children (especially adopted children) to NOT do foster care until after their own children are raised! Like I said, some of these people are dysfunctional, there is no telling the trouble they may cause INNOCENT, far too trusting and unsuspecting people!
Even still, with foster children…it is not right that they can take these children alone into rooms and grill them without anyone present, and remove them without a hearing! (Even with the elderly, they are not allowed to question and remove them from their homes in this way. But the elderly have had AARP to lobby for them and ensure their rights.) You would not believe the abuses to these children as a result of these types of ” unconstitutional ” policies! Dogs are being treated better than foster children. Foster parents are treated as though they are slave labor.
Subject: Re: Bastard Nation – A state Bargaining
Date: 15 Jun 1996 03:38:11 GMT
In email@example.com firstname.lastname@example.org (Celest920) writes:
An adopted child WAS ‘given birth’ by another not married (usually), but IS ” born to ” the adoptive parents who are married.
alt.adoption 04 July 1995
Subject: My story for those who even care…
In article <email@example.com>,
firstname.lastname@example.org (Celeste Piliponis) writes:
I am an adoptive parent and I have a foster license. Last year I was one month shy of being eligible to adopt my foster daughters, when DCFS refused to return them to me from respite care. Coincidentally, I was in the process of license renewel.- I had a small hook and eye latch on the girls room door to keep my 2 year old son, who has ADD, out of their room because he was breaking all their things. I believe the whole issue was about adoption. They say the exact same rhetoric about adoption as I hear in this and other forums. I have been saying this for months.
This is the reason 500,000 are living their entire childhoods in foster care.
My foster daughters have been moved twice since they left my home and they are still in foster care. They move them around to keep them from attaching to anyone,
—>and to keep anyone from eligibility to adopt them.<—
Amanda, my foster daughter would watch Disney Movies, she was such a romantic and would sing the theme songs to these movies, she had a beautiful voice. Her favorite was Little Mermaid, and she loved the songs, “I Want to Go Where the People Are” and “A Whole New World” in the Aladdin Movie.
It is through these I realized what Amanda wanted most, what her dreams are. I think she is still wanting this and accross the miles some how she is letting me know this by influencing me and telling me how to fight this through the Disney movies.
I believe Amanda is like “the little mermaid” trapped in the system. Another thing is that Amanda and my older son became very close, as close as a brother and sister can be, and he still says quite often that he wants Amanda to come home. That was his birthday wish this year. ——-> My younger son thinks DCFS has killed them. <——-
Oh well, I guess all of you just simply don’t care as long as you get what you want. Go ahead, make fun, put me down, laugh, have your jollies for the day at my expense.